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If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

grantsfo — 2009-06-09T19:55:46-00:00

So I'm looking at Toyota Yaris as a throw away car for high mileage commuting. Gets good gas mileage, fun to drive, cheap and easy to maintain, etc.

When I went on to the Totyota USA website to build this car they offer rear TRD swaybar option, TRD sport springs, TRD intake, sport clutch and few other goodies as options for delivered car. Would those options allow the car to be stock in SCCA class if you ordered from factory this way?

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SharkRacer — 2009-06-09T20:39:07-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 12:55

Are those dealer-installed options? It's only legal if it comes off the factory assembly line like that.

I doubt the intake and clutch can come from the factory like that.

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motoring — 2009-06-09T20:39:39-00:00

It is a little hard to find, but all the "Accessories" including all the TRD parts do not include installation.

They are dealer installed parts and are, therefore, not legal for Stock class.

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grantsfo — 2009-06-09T21:04:10-00:00

motoring wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 13:39

It is a little hard to find, but all the "Accessories" including all the TRD parts do not include installation.

They are dealer installed parts and are, therefore, not legal for Stock class.

Dang! Just found the buried disclaimer on those parts.

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John Stimson — 2009-06-09T21:10:18-00:00

Not only that, I think the TRD options vary depending on which state you are in!

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grantsfo — 2009-06-09T21:52:42-00:00

I'll just have to build a sleeper Yaris like my Toyota Echo and run appropriate class. I'll skip the lousy TRD parts and get the good stuff.

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SharkRacer — 2009-06-09T22:31:30-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 14:52

I'll just have to build a sleeper Yaris like my Toyota Echo and run appropriate class. I'll skip the lousy TRD parts and get the good stuff.

Pot calling kettle black: Or drive Yaris and race Porsche?

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vietnameeh — 2009-06-09T22:51:51-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 14:52

I'll just have to build a sleeper Yaris like my Toyota Echo and run appropriate class. I'll skip the lousy TRD parts and get the good stuff.

FSP!! it sounds like a fsp build

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grantsfo — 2009-06-10T00:54:49-00:00

SharkRacer wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 15:31

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 14:52

I'll just have to build a sleeper Yaris like my Toyota Echo and run appropriate class. I'll skip the lousy TRD parts and get the good stuff.

Pot calling kettle black: Or drive Yaris and race Porsche?

Porsche is eventually going to be more of a track car. Yaris would be more appropriate AX car.

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Charlie Davis — 2009-06-10T03:59:24-00:00

Grant-

"Yaris more of an autocross car" just doesn't compute with me. Too tall, narrow and soft, no matter what. I just don't see it. There hast o be another good commuter car tha is a much better autocross car. Keep shopping!

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benny_ng — 2009-06-10T06:10:25-00:00

talk to Ken F. he is interested in getting a Yaris, and already has nice plans for it. Autox, only not too hard core.

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grantsfo — 2009-06-10T18:00:40-00:00

What many people dont realize is that they were/are widely raced in cup series globally, driven as rally cars and in Japan and Europe there are very fast (well relatively speaking) cars built on this platform. If you really look at the Yaris, Toyota did a great job of keeping weight low and the cars are very light. Perfect componenets of an AX car. I will admit they are just a little top heavy but not as much as visual cues might indicate.

My Echo which was built on same platform as first gen Yaris and it was amazingly quick in AX events. People used to laugh at it until they saw it go. What they didnt realize is that it had full on race suspension with Koni adjutable inserts, sport springs, suspension reinforcements, camber plates, huge 26 mm rear bar. The car given 85 WHP was suprizingly fast. I finished within couple seconds of TTOD at a couple PCA events on street tires in that car. I actually worked with Koni to bring first set of Yaris Koni's to US to be test fitted on an Echo back in 2001.

I'm thinking something along lines of the yaris below. The cars spring to life when you drop them and put some tire under the fenders.

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benny_ng — 2009-06-11T09:53:17-00:00

i think the car has potential. although i absolutely HATE the stock front bumper/grill. the part that holds the toyota logo makes it look like a beluga whale. but change that, and it has something about it.

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gavin — 2009-06-11T11:09:02-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Wed, 10 June 2009 11:00

What many people dont realize is that they were/are widely raced in cup series globally, driven as rally cars and in Japan and Europe there are very fast (well relatively speaking) ......

Same could be said about Citroen 2CVs

sorry, you dont get a break

Gavin

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atcovan — 2009-06-11T14:25:45-00:00

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r4gwoods — 2009-06-11T18:39:33-00:00

vietnameeh wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 15:51

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 09 June 2009 14:52

I'll just have to build a sleeper Yaris like my Toyota Echo and run appropriate class. I'll skip the lousy TRD parts and get the good stuff.

FSP!! it sounds like a fsp build

FSP is going to getting to be a real tough class! I remember when it was Steve K. in his bimmer all by himself!

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amrx7 — 2009-06-11T18:52:34-00:00

Sorry, but having a Boxster (albeit track prepped) and then spending time/money on improving a Yaris for autox borders on lunacy.

Even if you put alot of parts on it and it does respectively well for the bargain basement people mover it is, it will still be dismally slow compared to the Boxster.

You just like the underdog angle, don't you?

-Andy

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atcovan — 2009-06-11T19:34:50-00:00

Ooh... that sounds like a challenge. I figure the Yaris could still be a fun commuter car, if you don't go too silly with mods.

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autox_axela — 2009-06-11T22:43:50-00:00

This has to be a trolling attempt...no car enthusiast would describe a Yaris as "fun to drive".

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grantsfo — 2009-06-11T23:39:12-00:00

Best thing about them is exactly the response this post gets. 95% people wont believe how capable these cars are at speeds under say 80 MPH. I enjoyed driving my modified Echo more than my stock Boxster on mountain roads around my house.

Funniest thing is I had a 2.7 Boxster when I bought my 2001 Echo and did modifications on it. Its sort of a tradition that is developing. I think many people underestimate the capability of the Yaris. It wont be a class winning car but they are a hell of a lot of fun. I have owned nearly 30 sports cars/sedans from Hillman IMPS to Porsche 914's to 240Z to Sentra SEr to Honda CRX Si to Mazda RX2's and I can tell you the Echo/Yaris is a fun car if you get the right suspension and wheel/tire combo under it.

Just a couple vids.

Hilarious 1.3 liter Yaris at Greek Rally championships 1300 cc's with driver and co-driver going up hill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIVBvE-qQm8&feature=chann el_page

1.5 liter Echo/Yaris Cup cars in Canada ...yeehaw!

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/46a7e70f-a927-4dbf-a16c-9 9a400a0ca2a.htm

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gavin — 2009-06-11T23:58:00-00:00

Yaris?....ah right right. Is that the one that runs on AAs? or is it AAAs?

I remember the tricked out Echo. Whatever became of the pod racer?

Gavin

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autox_axela — 2009-06-12T01:21:31-00:00

Okay, I'll bite. What makes the Yaris a better starting point for building a racecar than any other economy driving appliance with a ~100hp and a torsion beam rear suspension?

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craftwerx — 2009-06-12T03:21:07-00:00

yaris with 4AG (we have lots of spare motor) RWD.... woot!

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Charlie Davis — 2009-06-12T04:08:22-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:39

Okay, so Grant, to what level do you plan on preparing this commuter Yaris, and are you intending to be competitive, or just go for the "Wow, that's quick for a Yaris" factor? In HS, you won't be competitive with Minis, in ST, you won't be competitive with Civic Sis, and I guess it's an FSP car. Can you compete against Focus and Civics in FSP?

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grantsfo — 2009-06-12T04:31:17-00:00

Charlie Davis wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 21:08

Given I drive 1 or 2 SCCA events a year I dont know that it really matters? Vast majority of AX'er dont go to national championships and I think car would do fine in local competition. I have seen that Honda you drive I think you would be suprized at how close a good driver could put a well sorted Yaris to your car. Certainly Honda out clsses the Yaris but not by much. If you watch the Japanese tuner videos they have Yaris that run damn close to nicely sorted early model civics.

Has anyone effectively campaigned Yaris who knows anything about these cars? I have never seen one prepared even close to what my Echo was prepared. I disagree that a Yaris couldnt run against a Mini or a Focus and set respectable time.

Yaris is several hundred lbs lighter than all cars you mention with exception of the Honda. Impression I get from many is they put Yaris in similar category as a Smart car or a Hyundai. When car magazines road tested first small Scions which are based on Yaris platform they were amazed at slalom speeds they were getting from these cars

A another video from Japan of a stockish Vitz/Yaris on track.

http://www.truveo.com/%E5%B2%A1%E5%B1%B1%E5%9B%BD%E9%9A%9B-v itz-2009-1-15-vitz-%E3%81%9D%E3%81%AE%EF%BC%92/id/755332528

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grantsfo — 2009-06-12T16:20:41-00:00

autox_axela wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 18:21

Okay, I'll bite. What makes the Yaris a better starting point for building a racecar than any other economy driving appliance with a ~100hp and a torsion beam rear suspension?

Fact that Yaris weighs anywhere from 200lbs to 500lbs less than anything in the segment, it has a real motor that is suprizingly powerful for a 1.5 liter, there is a huge motorsports aftermarket driven by this car with tons of suspension, motor, chassis reinforcments, prefab rollcages and driveline upgrades. Including a whole host of superchargers and turbos. In other markets the Yaris has come in 1.5 turbo trim as well.

If you havent driven a well sorted Yaris you just dont have context to the overall capability of these cars. The Yaris in stock form is terrible, softly sprung and they sit too high on skinny little wheels. Its typical US suspension tuning that kills them.

Slap a nice European made coilover suspension under the car, put a big rear bar under it, mount some lighthweight 14x7 or 15x7 wheels with 205 width tires and you would be amazed at what these cars can do.

Biggest issue will be gearing in AX.

Most exciting thing for me is I get new car smell for $11000 rather than buying a used car that smells like farts.

gavin wrote on Thu, 11 June 2009 16:58

I remember the tricked out Echo. Whatever became of the pod racer?

Gavin

I pulled lots of the go fast stuff off, reinstalled mostly stock stuff and sold the Echo to a college kid for cheap.

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John Stimson — 2009-06-12T17:11:25-00:00

          Yaris  Fit   MINI
Weight     2295 2489   2568
fr. track  58.3 58.7   57.8 
stock SSF  1.30 1.35   1.45

The Yaris is lighter than the MINI Cooper and the Fit, but carries its weight up high. I'm sure you'll have fun surprising people with what the car can do in an autocross.

Charlie's looking at it from a different perspective, which is whether it's the best choice for any competition class. And he did acknowledge the fact that you might not care -- which apparently you don't, so it sounds like everyone is in violent agreement!

Have you looked at the new Ford Fiesta? I have no idea when it's coming out or whether the specs are available.

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mwood — 2009-06-12T17:51:38-00:00

In the world of "round peg in square hole" automobile tuning, I must say setting up a Yaris for autocross makes much more sense than setting up a SUV for "performance"...

I think it will be cool

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grantsfo — 2009-06-12T18:44:45-00:00

Perhaps if its purely competition the first generation 2 door Toyota Echo coupe at 2080 lbs might actually may have an advantage over a 2568 lb Mini in a class where suspension mods are allowed? Just a thought.

My Echo on slightly shorter springs sat lower than a stock SVT Focus. Door lines where lower too. As I have said its visual cues that make the Yaris look top heavy - the car has very little real weight up high. Toyota Engineers did wonders with that car and the chassis is very rigid. Rear suspension is weak but really it doesnt matter with a FWD car. TRD makes braces that reinforce suspension pickup points so at least rear suspension doesnt twist too much under hard cornering forces. For me rear was never the issue - its lack of LSD in front that would cause the light tire to spin a little too much. Big rear bar remedied that nicely.

If I hadnt developed a fast Echo I would likely be agreeing with all of you. When I drove the Echo stock I though it had no potential at all. Then I saw Yashio Factory Vitz video and thought Hmm that car is kicking butt and its built on same platform as my Echo.

Fiesta is going to be another cool little car. Is ford bringing it here soon?

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John Stimson — 2009-06-12T19:59:02-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 11:44

As I have said its visual cues that make the Yaris look top heavy - the car has very little real weight up high.

The SSF is an objective measure of that, and it says that the CG height divided by the track width of a stock Yaris is higher than for a stock Fit or MINI. That means to get the same CG height with a modded suspension, you would have to lower the Yaris more than the Fit, and a lot more than the Cooper. Does the Yaris sit a lot higher off the ground on stock springs than the Cooper or the Fit? Toyota's published ground clearance on the Yaris is 5.5 inches. I'd be surprised if the Fit or Cooper sat much closer to the ground than that, although I did not find pusblished ground clearance on the Honda or MINI web sites.

Ford is touring their Fiesta ride & drive event around the country. There was one in Mountain View about 2 weeks ago. I would expect them to release the car pretty soon if they're doing that.

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craftwerx — 2009-06-12T22:57:30-00:00

John Stimson wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 12:59

grantsfo wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 11:44

As I have said its visual cues that make the Yaris look top heavy - the car has very little real weight up high.

3 words.... CHOP TOP YARIS!!

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grantsfo — 2009-06-15T16:14:33-00:00

craftwerx wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 15:57

3 words.... CHOP TOP YARIS!!

LOL! Its been done.

I'm also looking at RX8 ..I know completely differnt class of car and It would probably fit in better as a competent AX machine.

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SharkRacer — 2009-06-15T19:04:00-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 09:14

craftwerx wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 15:57

3 words.... CHOP TOP YARIS!!

LOL! Its been done.

I'm also looking at RX8 ..I know completely differnt class of car and It would probably fit in better as a competent AX machine.

Terrible daily driver though. Burns oil like the madness and fuel economy that's not too far off that of a Suburban.

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BRIAN — 2009-06-16T00:16:16-00:00

How about a Cobalt SS. Good handling, tons of power and good fuel economy if you keep your foot out of it. With the right tune 300 hp is do able.

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justint5387 — 2009-06-16T03:19:04-00:00

BRIAN wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 17:16

How about a Cobalt SS. Good handling, tons of power and good fuel economy if you keep your foot out of it. With the right tune 300 hp is do able.

It is a very capable car in DS also.

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mwood — 2009-06-16T03:33:00-00:00

SharkRacer wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 12:04

grantsfo wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 09:14

craftwerx wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 15:57

3 words.... CHOP TOP YARIS!!

LOL! Its been done.

I'm also looking at RX8 ..I know completely differnt class of car and It would probably fit in better as a competent AX machine.

Terrible daily driver though. Burns oil like the madness and fuel economy that's not too far off that of a Suburban.

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SharkRacer — 2009-06-17T15:47:59-00:00

mwood wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 20:33

Terrible daily driver though. Burns oil like the madness and fuel economy that's not too far off that of a Suburban.

That's not quite accurate. One quart of oil every 1500-2000 miles and about 16mpg in mixed highway/around town use. Not great, but not a total horror show, particularly when you look at buy in cost (perfect RX8's can be had used for under $14,000), maintenence (pretty bulletproof, outside of the transmissions), and overall practicality to round out the picture. It also would be VERY interesting to do a full on STX build with an '8...

For many, though, the deal breaker with the RX8 is the low roof line. If you are tall of torso or over 6', you may not fit with a helmet on...particularly in sun roof cars.

The Slobalt SS is quite a ride...great bang for the buck and the build quality isn't as bad as you might imagine. And, yep, they do get 'er done in DS.
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When I was commuting in an Avalanche (5.3L, 4.10 gearing) to/from Palo Alto, I usually got about 15.5 on a 50/50 split.

And a quart of oil every 2000 miles is quite a lot.

Not to mention, very little power for what you get.

I've tried really hard to like the RX8, they're a BLAST to drive (I've autocrossed a few), but I just can't get myself past their faults. You'd be better off (by a longshot) driving a 'vette, although the LS1s can burn oil pretty bad too. (at least you can easily clip 30mpg on the freeway!)

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grantsfo — 2009-06-18T15:53:09-00:00

[quote title=SharkRacer wrote on Wed, 17 June 2009 08:47]

mwood wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 20:33

You'd be better off (by a longshot) driving a 'vette, although the LS1s can burn oil pretty bad too. (at least you can easily clip 30mpg on the freeway!)

Yeah but I would have to spend a fortune on gold chains and v neck polyester shirts.

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mwood — 2009-06-18T16:18:44-00:00

[quote title=grantsfo wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 08:53]

SharkRacer wrote on Wed, 17 June 2009 08:47

mwood wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 20:33

You'd be better off (by a longshot) driving a 'vette, although the LS1s can burn oil pretty bad too. (at least you can easily clip 30mpg on the freeway!)

Yeah but I would have to spend a fortune on gold chains and v neck polyester shirts.

You should have plenty of gold chains and "Members Only" jackets from your Porsche days...oh, and those nifty Corinthian leather driving gloves...that just leaves v neck poly shirts and, I hear, Target has those pretty cheap...

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atcovan — 2009-06-18T17:04:16-00:00

[quote title=mwood wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 09:18]

grantsfo wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 08:53

SharkRacer wrote on Wed, 17 June 2009 08:47

mwood wrote on Mon, 15 June 2009 20:33

You'd be better off (by a longshot) driving a 'vette, although the LS1s can burn oil pretty bad too. (at least you can easily clip 30mpg on the freeway!)

Yeah but I would have to spend a fortune on gold chains and v neck polyester shirts.

As a former owner of a Z06, a black '03 model, I find this comment entirely hilarious!
PS I had several v-neck long sleeve, ribbed shirts, but I got too many looks from cute guys, so I gave them to Goodwill
PPS I still have my Member's Only jacket. Keeps me warm while I change oil in wintertime.

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Sebastian R. — 2009-06-18T17:11:55-00:00

Re: Yaris, I've driven one in stock form at an autocross; I was surprised to find myself impressed with it's ability to transition quickly. The real killer for me was the fly by wire throttle, it kept cutting out on me if I had one foot on the brake and one on the gas.
Light cars are inherently fun to autocross, but it takes more than the Yaris' light weight to win.

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grantsfo — 2009-06-18T19:11:22-00:00

Sebastian R. wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 10:11

The transformation from stock to well developed preformance suspesion with wider wheels and tires is nothing short of amazing. I dont think there are many people who have driven one of these cars with a real suspension setup and a big rear bar. Without those things your only seeing about half of the cars potential. Its not the car I would choose if SCCA National championships were my goal but it wouldnt embarrass itself either.

There was a great video of a Vitz/Yaris that a Japanese tuner tweeked and they showed it on Touge with a Civic. Car was matching Civics moves each turn.

Went to look at Yaris in person at a lot last week. They have to put in an order for manual tranny! LOL! We walked entire stock. Not one manual!

If I do this you guys will have fun laughing at me. I get a kick out of doing this kind of stuff. I have Yaris/Echo?Vitz buddies in Australia where it seems most tuning to the car happens. In fact Whiteline makes the big rear bar for the car.

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grantsfo — 2009-06-18T19:19:07-00:00

mwood wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 09:18

Touche!

Although being a 914 driver I was never really fully accepted as being a true Porsche owner. There was once serious debate to whether 914's would be accepted as true Porsches. LOL!

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mwood — 2009-06-18T19:44:21-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 12:19

mwood wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 09:18

Touche!

Although being a 914 driver I was never really fully accepted as being a true Porsche owner. There was once serious debate to whether 914's would be accepted as true Porsches. LOL!

Don't feel bad...for years, Dino owners were excluded from the Ferrari world...since values went up and the Dino has been recognized as one of the best Pininfarina designs of all time, they've been embraced with open arms...well, except the 308GT/4, which is still the proverbial "red headed stepchild".

So, there's still hope for the poor VW/Porsche owners

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John Stimson — 2009-06-18T20:38:07-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 12:11

If I do this you guys will have fun laughing at me.

Just remember: we won't be laughing at you, we'll be laughing near you!

In some circles, some folks aren't even sure whether to count the Cayman as a real Porsche...

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atcovan — 2009-06-18T20:45:03-00:00

Do it, Grant. I will not laugh. If I had any $$, I'd be there next to you with my Echo. Some day, sigh...

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Sebastian R. — 2009-06-18T20:55:27-00:00

Do all the Yari (what's plural for Yaris? ) come with fly by wire throttle? If so, are there any models where the throttle cut isn't so invasive?

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atcovan — 2009-06-18T21:22:17-00:00

Sebastian R. wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 13:55

Do all the Yari (what's plural for Yaris? ) come with fly by wire throttle? If so, are there any models where the throttle cut isn't so invasive?

Try disconnecting a wire (or wires) from the brake pedal switch and see if there's a simple work-around. Not legal in stock, but would prevent this annoyance. As these cars were introduced here as '07 models, I believe all are electronic throttle.

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Impala SS AutocroSSer — 2009-06-18T21:41:14-00:00

atcovan wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 14:22

Sebastian R. wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 13:55

Do all the Yari (what's plural for Yaris? ) come with fly by wire throttle? If so, are there any models where the throttle cut isn't so invasive?

Since the target is an SP(ish) build, I'd first ask if anyone has cracked the ECU on it yet?

With a cracked ECU, it'd be pretty simple to recalibrate the drive-by-wire anyway you wanted it

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craftwerx — 2009-06-18T22:13:32-00:00

Impala SS AutocroSSer wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 14:41

atcovan wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 14:22

Sebastian R. wrote on Thu, 18 June 2009 13:55

Do all the Yari (what's plural for Yaris? ) come with fly by wire throttle? If so, are there any models where the throttle cut isn't so invasive?

Since the target is an SP(ish) build, I'd first ask if anyone has cracked the ECU on it yet?

With a cracked ECU, it'd be pretty simple to recalibrate the drive-by-wire anyway you wanted it

the ECU issue is pretty easy

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grantsfo — 2009-06-30T20:31:54-00:00

Here we go. I'm not the only Yaris AX nut. I found one in Canada. LOL!

Not a bad little car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3DPDuM7lGk

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justint5387 — 2009-06-30T20:43:39-00:00

Doesn't look like the car is turning that well

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grantsfo — 2009-06-30T20:58:33-00:00

justint5387 wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 13:43

Doesn't look like the car is turning that well

Not enough rear bar and he needs to left foot brake. You can tell he isnt left foot braking at all in the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3DPDuM7lGk

With a little more setup and a faster driver it would have some potential.

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mwood — 2009-06-30T22:47:22-00:00

Potential? Yes.

Style? notsomuch...that's one ugly little sucka.

Of course, people used to say the same thing about the original Mini Cooper!

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

grantsfo — 2009-06-30T23:41:09-00:00

mwood wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 15:47

Potential? Yes.

Style? notsomuch...that's one ugly little sucka.

Of course, people used to say the same thing about the original Mini Cooper!

Youre talking to a guy who drove a Hillman IMP in high school and has owned several Porsche 914's, a Dodge Dart, a Gremlin and an Echo. Style isnt my middle name, but I like the way they look.

Just saying this car isnt the lepper that so many people think it is. Its actually a very fun car to drive. Lightweight with a decent little 1.5 liter motor with variable valvle timing that would suprise most people who havent run one through the gears. I'm suprised so few people have driven them as an AX car.

Back in the day a 2100 lb 110 HP car used to be the perfect AX weapon. Just because its goofy looking doesnt take way from its potential.

I'm still on the fence with this car. Depends what direction I go with my tow vehicle. If I go with a Truck, I'll likely get a Yaris to commute in. If I find a Turbo Diesel SUV with tow capacity I'll likely commute in the SUV.

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

justint5387 — 2009-07-01T06:52:07-00:00

Any car has potential, but what class does the Yaris have potential in?

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

vietnameeh — 2009-07-01T06:55:11-00:00

FSP!

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

grantsfo — 2009-07-01T17:51:24-00:00

vietnameeh wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 23:55

FSP!

Yeah it should handle an overwieght Mazda 3 fairly handly.

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

vietnameeh — 2009-07-01T17:58:39-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 10:51

vietnameeh wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 23:55

FSP!

Yeah it should handle an overwieght Mazda 3 fairly handly.

then prove it

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

justint5387 — 2009-07-01T18:25:38-00:00

vietnameeh wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 10:58

grantsfo wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 10:51

vietnameeh wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 23:55

FSP!

Yeah it should handle an overwieght Mazda 3 fairly handly.

then prove it

Haha I agree. A FSP Mazda 3 does have about 60 more HP at the wheels than most other FSP cars. Also, a little bit chassis than the Yaris, it won HS in nationals before.

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

craftwerx — 2009-07-01T18:54:55-00:00

i will prove it to you someday justin... yaris ftw!

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

1paxed_up_TT — 2009-07-01T21:39:33-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 13:31

Here we go. I'm not the only Yaris AX nut. I found one in Canada. LOL!

Not a bad little car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3DPDuM7lGk

How come it looks like it's using its air dam as roll support

The vids look as fast if not faster than my Mazda. Should be a fun toy to play with. You probably don't need a tow vehicle if this thing fits inside a van or a big pickup haha

FSP FTW

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

grantsfo — 2009-07-02T03:14:38-00:00

justint5387 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 11:25

vietnameeh wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 10:58

grantsfo wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 10:51

vietnameeh wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 23:55

FSP!

Yeah it should handle an overwieght Mazda 3 fairly handly.

then prove it

Haha I agree. A FSP Mazda 3 does have about 60 more HP at the wheels than most other FSP cars. Also, a little bit chassis than the Yaris, it won HS in nationals before.

Sure thing ...too bad youre dragging around an extra 1/4 ton with all that HP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUDeCZQ9kOE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFuIasMzXoE

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

justint5387 — 2009-07-02T03:18:41-00:00

Thanks for sharing those great videos! The 17 second drag strip run is very exciting

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

grantsfo — 2009-07-02T03:52:34-00:00

justint5387 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 20:18

Thanks for sharing those great videos! The 17 second drag strip run is very exciting

Yeah Not bad for the 1.3 liter version of the Yaris. 1.5 liter car is even faster ...low 16's.

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

1paxed_up_TT — 2009-07-02T17:18:02-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 20:52

justint5387 wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 20:18

Thanks for sharing those great videos! The 17 second drag strip run is very exciting

Yeah Not bad for the 1.3 liter version of the Yaris. 1.5 liter car is even faster ...low 16's.

Talk about sleeping at the lights. They'd probably hit 15's haha ok maybe not.

Funny you find all these Mazda 3 vs Yaris vids. I would have thought there would be more Yaris vs Fit, Kia, Cooper, etc.

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

atcovan — 2009-07-04T21:17:44-00:00

grantsfo wrote on Tue, 30 June 2009 13:31

Here we go. I'm not the only Yaris AX nut. I found one in Canada. LOL!

Not a bad little car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3DPDuM7lGk

Must have been first run, because he could have charged the course a lot harder. Also noticed he was on the wrong side of the cones when he was done. Not the coolest way to get a dnf, is it?

Re: If rear swaybar and sport springs are manufacturers option is car stock?

RustyChops41 — 2009-07-06T02:24:28-00:00

Even mags like Consumer Reports, not widely known for their emphasis on performance, won't recommend the Yaris due to it's complete lack of any "fun to drive" quotient. Anyone who thinks a Yaris is remotely "fun to drive" needs to drive a few more cars during thier remaining years here on earth before making such a statement. Campaigning an underdog car can be fun, up to a point, and perhaps even leading to some wins at the local level, but eventually reality sets in. Solo II is alot about driving, but the car does matter too in the end.