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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39219 is a reply to message #38058] Sat, 01 November 2008 12:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nov. 9th is the next ufo event. You gonna be able to make it paul?

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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39443 is a reply to message #38058] Fri, 07 November 2008 02:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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nov 9-10 thunder drift schedule for paul.
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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39621 is a reply to message #38058] Mon, 10 November 2008 23:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I think you all better talk to you boys:

http://www.baautox.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=39619& amp;rid=84#msg_39619

The lack of respect and sense of entitlement the drifters exhibited Sunday at UFO was unbelievable. Dennis & Peggy are so tolerant and accommodating to drifters it's not even funny. Yet they had the audacity to talk about how "we don't think it's fair we're being punished for drifting" when we asked them to grip after their first spin.

It's a private club, and the event is run as an AutoX. What they think is fair doesn't even matter, it's not a democracy. However, we were 100% fair and just asked that if they spun once they grip it and try to finish their lap as fast and uneventful as possible after that. But they had NO respect and made NO effort to do so.

-TJ
Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39624 is a reply to message #39621] Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tjZ06 wrote on Mon, 10 November 2008 23:59

I think you all better talk to you boys:

http://www.baautox.com/forum/index.php?t=msg&goto=39619& amp; amp; amp; amp;rid=84#msg_39619

The lack of respect and sense of entitlement the drifters exhibited Sunday at UFO was unbelievable. Dennis & Peggy are so tolerant and accommodating to drifters it's not even funny. Yet they had the audacity to talk about how "we don't think it's fair we're being punished for drifting" when we asked them to grip after their first spin.

It's a private club, and the event is run as an AutoX. What they think is fair doesn't even matter, it's not a democracy. However, we were 100% fair and just asked that if they spun once they grip it and try to finish their lap as fast and uneventful as possible after that. But they had NO respect and made NO effort to do so.

-TJ


taken from another thread.

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The same can be said for the drift-o kids. I got into it with them several times. I'm not trying to be a hard-ass or anything but the simple fact that they all ran in the 90+ second range is just ridiculous. I told them several times that if they spun on a run, no more drifting after that. Of course NONE of them listened. I can't believe I'd see them try to drift, spin, then try to drift, spin again, and try some more. I spun on one run and still ran a 78. There is NO EXCUSE for running 90+ seconds. I enjoy watching a good drift as much (or more) as most folks, but jeez do it right and if you mess it up grip the rest of the run.

On top of that one of them got sideways off in the asphalt which can get us thrown out of the site forever and when Lyn tried to talk to them they blew her off. When I told them to listen to her they tried to get tough with me. That is NOT what AutoX is about. It's a family thing and we all enjoy each other's company and respect each other. Those guys are there for themselves and have NO respect.


all of us ran in the 90+ range.... yeah ok... sure... not at all true. dont exaggerate the facts.

you shouldnt try to lump us (the people you talked to) together with the other people that were trying in the other groups. me and my friends always try to go at the end of the day, so we have our own run group basically.

Did you tell the morning "drift kids" that they werent allowed to drift anymore if they spun once?

we showed respect to lyn. you told us to listen to her, and we did. you shouldnt have been ordering my friend around telling him what to do (ie. his wrench), and you did come off as threatening with the whole "dont touch me". your tone wasnt exactly friendly. my friend was angry (obviously) because he got screwed for a run... wouldnt you be angry?

we have no respect? every single one of us worked (from the group you approached after the event)... which is more important than anything. i can guarantee you that less than half of the other "drift kids" actually stayed to work.

the fact that you say we had no respect bothers me, and will probably bother me for quite a while. we stayed and worked, we cleaned our area, made sure there was no trash.you assume we are a bunch of delinquents who dont care about "authority"... that right there, is incredible.

"drift-o kids"??? where's the respect in that?

Neutral


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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39631 is a reply to message #38058] Tue, 11 November 2008 08:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ill back DINO up this... dino and his buddies are stand up dudes...

they also run with SCCA , well they did before Laughing

but they know how things work....

and ill back him up... that just cause they are alll drifter doesnt mean they all showed up together and are all buddies...

i Know dino and his gang know whats up... but the other drifters... well i have no comment, Ive had my memories of them from past UFO events.

but you can't really get on these guys case... the course was drifter heaven and you can't really blame them for drifting every frikkin corner.


its like putting a line down in front of a crackhead... hes gona snort it Laughing


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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39642 is a reply to message #39624] Tue, 11 November 2008 10:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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UH OH. I am suddenly able to login again. My dismemberment is suspended. BEWARE all ye who enter here....

>The lack of respect and sense of entitlement the drifters exhibited Sunday at UFO was unbelievable. Dennis & Peggy are so tolerant and accommodating to drifters it's not even funny.

Heck we even tolerated Corvette, BMW, and SCCA folks. There are no limits!

>Yet they had the audacity to talk about how "we don't think it's fair we're being punished for drifting" when we asked them to grip after their first spin.

Now remember that fair is just the other 4 letter word beginning with F. It generally means the same thing.

>It's a private club, and the event is run as an AutoX.

And as a club, real club members are the ones with a say so. None of the above mentioned empowered groups bother to belong to the club, therefore this discussion has little effect.

>What they think is fair doesn't even matter, it's not a democracy.

>taken from another thread.

>On top of that one of them got sideways off in the asphalt which can get us thrown out of the site forever and when Lyn tried to talk to them they blew her off.

Not exactly true. Three sides of asphalt are not forbidden zones. We used to run the variable grip surface once in a while, but the concrete is just too nice to fool around like that. The asphalt by the hangar is forbidden fruit that tastes bad anyway.

>When I told them to listen to her they tried to get tough with me. That is NOT what AutoX is about. It's a family thing and we all enjoy each other's company and respect each other. Those guys are there for themselves and have NO respect.[/quote]

Well, respect is difficult from more than the drifters....

>all of us ran in the 90+ range.... yeah ok... sure... not at all true. don't exaggerate the facts.

>you shouldn't try to lump us (the people you talked to) together with the other people that were trying in the other groups. me and my friends always try to go at the end of the day, so we have our own run group basically.

Well, I get to explain everyone to the airport, mostly because they want a point guy. You get to be my point guy for the drift group. I think we have had this discussion before, it is the only way it can continue. Meet the newbies and take care of 'splaining everything to them for me. OK?

>Did you tell the morning "drift kids" that they weren't allowed to drift anymore if they spun once?

I walked the grid and spoke to each one personally. I asked them to limit their drift to 15 seconds additional time. I neglected to repeat this for the afternoon group. I get tired after about 24 hours at the place. EXCUUUSE me. I need your help here.

>we showed respect to Lynn. you told us to listen to her, and we did. you shouldn't have been ordering my friend around telling him what to do (ie. his wrench), and you did come off as threatening with the whole "dont touch me". your tone wasn't exactly friendly. my friend was angry (obviously) because he got screwed for a run... wouldn't you be angry?

>we have no respect? every single one of us worked (from the group you approached after the event)... which is more important than anything. i can guarantee you that less than half of the other "drift kids" actually stayed to work.

I have 25 folks that failed to sign off on this event. First timers may not know the process. Repeaters taking advantage need to be "educated". This again is where you need to help me. It's still the best deal you are getting.

>the fact that you say we had no respect bothers me, and will probably bother me for quite a while. we stayed and worked, we cleaned our area, made sure there was no trash.you assume we are a bunch of delinquents who don't care about "authority"... that right there, is incredible.

The trash clean up really doesn't get you extra points, but thank you very much for that.

>"drift-o kids"??? where's the respect in that?

I have known TJ [and most others} since they too were just kids learning to get along in society after high school. I don't think this silly respect game is getting anyone anywhere. Get into the scared Kommittee and it's lack of respect and I'll join right in still though. Cool


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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39654 is a reply to message #39642] Tue, 11 November 2008 11:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DHale_510 wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 10:55

UH OH. I am suddenly able to login again. My dismemberment is suspended. BEWARE all ye who enter here....



Dennis, the only "users" that have ever been banned from this site are spam bots that post crap about porn, ipod purchasing, etc. Since you don't fall into that category, your account has never been deactivated and the ip address that you use and your user login have never been banned from this site. In fact, the only criteria that I would have for banning someone is if they make threats against someone, use unacceptable language and ignored a written warning from one of the moderators. This has never happened to this point. There is NO conspiracy here. If you forget your password or otherwise have trouble logging in, just shoot me an email and I'm happy to reset your password and/or troubleshoot the issue. If you have a problem with the content of this site, please shoot me a private message or post a complaint thread somewhere that makes sense (like the "Suggestions" forum) and I'm happy to discuss that with you (privately or publicly) and make changes that will benefit the Northern California motorsports community.

This site has always been for the race community, by the race community and has never been affiliated with any club (although I personally happen to belong to several clubs, and AAS has been kind enough to help fund the site with their advertising banner.) Therefore the site has always welcomed the opinions of individuals that represent the racing community. This includes Dennis and Peggy Hale. If you disagree with something about this site, fine. I respect that and as I previously mentioned, if you tell me about it, and a change that can benefit others makes sense, I'll make the change. I don't, however, appreciate you floating ideas about some vast conspiracy that this site has against the Hale's. That is completely untrue. I think the vast majority of folks in the race community consider you both valuable members of the community (myself included) and for this reason, I welcome your participation on the forum. For bad or good, this site has become the place to find out about autocross events in Northern CA and I think that most people are interested in what is happening in the UFO Series and other events that you are involved in. If you can keep the community updated on the series and events here, I think that will be a great service to the race community as a whole. If you post information that is valid for an extended period of time, I'll "sticky" the thread so that it stays at the top of the forum list so that everyone can easily find the information. I hope that clears up any confusion that may have occurred in the past.

Regards,
Dave Theodore

PS Thanks for putting on a fun event this past Sunday. I had fun and enjoyed the challenge of the course, even though I didn't drive as well as I could have.


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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39712 is a reply to message #39624] Wed, 12 November 2008 15:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


all of us ran in the 90+ range.... yeah ok... sure... not at all true. dont exaggerate the facts.


Okay, so that was a generalization, but what times were the faster drivers in your group running?

Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


you shouldnt try to lump us (the people you talked to) together with the other people that were trying in the other groups. me and my friends always try to go at the end of the day, so we have our own run group basically.


I wasn't lumping you in w/ the folks from the morning, in fact I wasn't even there in the AM.

You have to understand, when you try and all run in one group it can be counter-productive. It does decrease the probability of red-flagging since you all are running 'similar' times, but it also makes for a long and busy work-group for the opposite run group (ie group 5 on Sunday that worked during your run group).

Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


Did you tell the morning "drift kids" that they werent allowed to drift anymore if they spun once?



I absolutely would have if I had been there. But "woulda coulda shoulda" only goes so far. In the past I've told non-drifters who would spin multiple times in a run to chill out after the first one. It's just a respect/etiquette thing.

Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


we showed respect to lyn. you told us to listen to her, and we did. you shouldnt have been ordering my friend around telling him what to do (ie. his wrench), and you did come off as threatening with the whole "dont touch me". your tone wasnt exactly friendly. my friend was angry (obviously) because he got screwed for a run... wouldnt you be angry?


Initially the guy w/ the red 240 who only got 3 runs did not show Lyn respect. As she was talkin' he said something to the effect of "I don't care" and turned his back to her (to continue his tire change). The only reason I told him to set the wrench down is because of his body language. Your friend was angry, I was angry, nobody's tone was "exactly friendly."

I saw Lyn by herself surrounded by a group of men who were angry with her, I stepped in. Could I have kept my tone more mellow, sure, and next time I will.

And I have been "shorted" runs in the past. It happens, no group is perfect. Had your friend kept his cool (and his timing slips) Lyn would have straightened it out and made it right. Do I blame him for being upset? No, of course not. Do I think the way he handled being upset was disrespectful and dangerous? Yes.

Pulling off the starting line getting sideways just a few feet from a lot of spectators and other cars is absolutely inexcusable.

Last year a guy in a Techno-Violet M3 did the same thing (after he was told he wouldn't get any more runs, but WOULD get a refund because there had been a pretty major collision on course) and I went over and talk to him too. One selfish move like that could cost everybody.

Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


we have no respect? every single one of us worked (from the group you approached after the event)... which is more important than anything. i can guarantee you that less than half of the other "drift kids" actually stayed to work.


You do have a point, your group a) worked their assigned run groups b) stayed to help clean-up. I have a lot of respect for that and I know that is appreciated by all.

Skizzup wrote on Tue, 11 November 2008 03:04


the fact that you say we had no respect bothers me, and will probably bother me for quite a while. we stayed and worked, we cleaned our area, made sure there was no trash.you assume we are a bunch of delinquents who dont care about "authority"... that right there, is incredible.

"drift-o kids"??? where's the respect in that?

Neutral


I don't "assume" anything about you and your friends. For all I know you're all gentlemen and scholars outside of the event. Honestly the way you conduct yourselves outside of the event is none of my business, and I don't care to make assumptions in that regard.

My only context is what I actually witnessed, and some of that behavior clearly was disrespectful. Arguing with the folks running the event, disregarding our requests for you all to grip the rest of a run after a spin etc.

These are not drift events, they are AutoXs. But Dennis & Peggy are extremely kind, tolerant people who want you all to a) be able to enjoy the automotive hobby in your own way b) stay safe and keep it off the streets. But when it gets to a point that your drifting negatively impacts the AutoX aspect of the event but you refuse to change behaviors that is disrespect.

Can drifters and grippers co-exist at an AutoX? Sure, but it takes compromises on both sides of the fence. I see Dennis and Peggy making the compromises necessary (ie a course like we had Sunday, allowing drifting etc) but I don't see the same willingness to yield from the drifters. All that is really asked of the drifters is that if they spin, take out a huge number of cones or anything of that nature they try their best to finish the rest of the run gripping and as fast as possible without knocking over cones. It's not a lot to ask.




I do appreciate your honest, composed reply. Your efforts as an ambassador to the drifting community could greatly help the situation.

Finally, as Dennis pointed out I'm just a 'concerned participant' and don't speak for Dennis, Peggy or UFO when I'm on this message board. At the event Peggy asked me to speak w/ you all.

Thanks,

TJ

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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39924 is a reply to message #38194] Sun, 16 November 2008 23:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Skizzup wrote on Tue, 07 October 2008 16:24

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when i saw ur car i was hella confuzed by y the back tire was sooooo low of profile and the front was like normal.... lot of rim not enough tire... from other end of the course i thought you were riding on rims hahahah... but it was fun watchin all y'll trying 2 drift those u turn.... those were just a pain.... that white 240 with the silvia conversion did pretty good on them and that other corrolla that broke... poor guy... what happened anyone know???


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Re: Create a new format: DORIFTO-CROSS!! [message #39991 is a reply to message #38058] Tue, 18 November 2008 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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the other corolla that broke? Was that in the morning group?

The white s13 with the black roof in the 6th run group was boosted so all he had to do was turn in and press the gas. Lucky guy. Haha


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