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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83661 is a reply to message #83659] Sun, 18 September 2011 12:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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[quote title=brmxr4ti wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 11:10][quote title=mwood wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 08:43]walk wrote on Sat, 17 September 2011 21:50


3. Go to non-op on the car, save insurance/registration costs for more go fast parts

What do you think will happen? I'm thinking option 3 is most likely? SCCA is, basically, telling competitors to make their "street touring" cars illegal for use on public roads...much like they have done with SP*


Don't a lot of ST cars get towed already?


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83666 is a reply to message #83658] Sun, 18 September 2011 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The use of the word "Street" implies street legal classes, very misleading to competitors. Perhaps the "Street" classes should be renamed to "Off-Street". Sounds inane and stupid, but what the rule makers have done is just that, imo. Sad Sort of like the blind leading the blind with no preplanning or foresight.
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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83671 is a reply to message #83659] Sun, 18 September 2011 18:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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brmxr4ti wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 11:10

Dam Mike,

We agree on something about keeping the ST class the way it is but use only streetable ECU's that can pass smog! but if they go though with this, then I can take out the ECU from my SP car and put it in my STU car, run E85 and think I could keep up with the EVO's. Nod

Ben


I don't think a "streetable ecu than can pass smog" will stop anything. I mean, my Evo (at 370hp/431ftlb at the wheels) is still running a stock ECU, with no piggyback at all, that will pass all emissions checks if an obd2 reader is plugged in. AND I have no cat, no EGR, no EVAP canister, or any of the other emissions junk. I mean there have been Evos tuned to over 800hp at the wheels on a stock ECU.


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83672 is a reply to message #83671] Sun, 18 September 2011 18:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ST rules don't allow removing emissions equipment... unless there's some new proposal I haven't read.

There are certainly things you can do that are within ST rules but not legal in CA/CARB, but the only alternative would be to make everyone in the country prep their car to CARB rules so..


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83675 is a reply to message #83672] Sun, 18 September 2011 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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walk wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 18:34
ST rules don't allow removing emissions equipment... unless there's some new proposal I haven't read.

There are certainly things you can do that are within ST rules but not legal in CA/CARB, but the only alternative would be to make everyone in the country prep their car to CARB rules so..


I'm not in ST*... I'm in SM. I was just making the point that even with a stock ECU, you can get by the emissions issues.


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83678 is a reply to message #83672] Sun, 18 September 2011 19:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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walk wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 18:34
ST rules don't allow removing emissions equipment... unless there's some new proposal I haven't read.

There are certainly things you can do that are within ST rules but not legal in CA/CARB, but the only alternative would be to make everyone in the country prep their car to CARB rules so..


Making all parts CARB legal will allow some cars to have an advantage because of their aftermarket support. Why does drivers in the other 49 states have to follow CA emission law, we are the minority here. I believe ST should require the stock ECU, most new cars have flashable ECUs nowadays.


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83680 is a reply to message #83678] Sun, 18 September 2011 19:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well that would give an unfair advantage to cars that have flashable ECU, many do not.
The piggyback allowance is supposed to even the playing field, I don't see anything wrong with it - it STILL doesn't allow you to remove or defeat emissions equipment, which ST* rules specifically forbid.


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83683 is a reply to message #83680] Sun, 18 September 2011 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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walk wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 19:22
Well that would give an unfair advantage to cars that have flashable ECU, many do not.
The piggyback allowance is supposed to even the playing field, I don't see anything wrong with it - it STILL doesn't allow you to remove or defeat emissions equipment, which ST* rules specifically forbid.


A piggyback ECU is not legal in any of the 50 states. There is a huge difference there.


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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83690 is a reply to message #83683] Sun, 18 September 2011 20:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This sounds like the SP talk 20 years ago!?

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Re: ST* and CA emissions [message #83694 is a reply to message #83671] Sun, 18 September 2011 22:38 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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how can you pass ca smog w/o cats?
RichJ wrote on Sun, 18 September 2011 18:32

I don't think a "streetable ecu than can pass smog" will stop anything. I mean, my Evo (at 370hp/431ftlb at the wheels) is still running a stock ECU, with no piggyback at all, that will pass all emissions checks if an obd2 reader is plugged in. AND I have no cat, no EGR, no EVAP canister, or any of the other emissions junk.



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