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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75300 is a reply to message #75273] Mon, 24 January 2011 15:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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My first thought was.. HOLY HELL why would they put the older Integras and the 2001-2005 Celicas in STS? The 90-93 Integra (mk II) I can kinda see, it has a pretty good weight advantage over newer cars, but does anyone seriously think a 2005 Celica GTS is going to be competitive in STS vs 89 Si and Miatas??

My second thought was, huh guess this means my dreams of adding LSD (and larger tires) and moving to STX are shot..

My next thought was, if they want ST to be newer/heavier more powerful cars then they need to increase the tire size limit. 7.5"/225 is just not enough tire.


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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75301 is a reply to message #75300] Mon, 24 January 2011 16:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jayroddrumz is currently offline  jayroddrumz   United States
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So the 90 - 93 Integra is getting moved to STS as well?

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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75302 is a reply to message #75301] Mon, 24 January 2011 17:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
walk   United States
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Yes, 90-01 Integra.
94-05 Celica too..


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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75306 is a reply to message #75301] Mon, 24 January 2011 18:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jayroddrumz wrote on Mon, 24 January 2011 16:34
So the 90 - 93 Integra is getting moved to STS as well?

These cars are all PROPOSED to be moved to STS for 2012, nothing is set in stone yet. The entire proposal is out for member comment, click the above link to read all the details.


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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75316 is a reply to message #75306] Tue, 25 January 2011 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, it's all just a proposal right now.

As far as I see, the EF Si and CRX and 1.6 Miatas are all pretty evenly matched, and it should come down to driver in most cases. Even the 1.8 Miatas with open diff are pretty close. The other Civics and Integras and Celicas are a few steps behind those (at best?) but could do OK in the same class, so long as nobody has delusions of beating a well prepped & driven 88-90 CRX/Si in a 05 Celica.. or 99 Civic .. unless they are a godly driver Smile But even so they aren't THAT far behind, and you're talking about 15-20 year old cars anyway.. if you wanna go out and find one of them, more power to ya. My impression of the ST reorg is to make some of the newer cars more viable.. ones made in the last 10 years that weigh 300-700(!) lbs more..


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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #75318 is a reply to message #75316] Tue, 25 January 2011 06:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
jayroddrumz is currently offline  jayroddrumz   United States
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Oh well, I guess we'll have to wait and see. Maybe i should just build thae crap out of it and go right into SMF!

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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #79540 is a reply to message #75318] Fri, 27 May 2011 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From: *dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net
So the new-new proposal is out in June Fastrak:
http://www.scca.com/documents/Fastrack/11/11-fastrack-june-s olo.pdf

"spec" Civic (EF) NOT moving to STS. They will stay in ST "old".

There will be a new ST "new" class (aka ST "heavy") for newer/heavier cars.

My first take is, I hope they allow wider tires in the ST heavy class. 245 at least, and 9-9.5" wheels.


Jeff W.
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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #79547 is a reply to message #79540] Fri, 27 May 2011 22:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The "new" st looks fun, though I'm not likely to join. I'm no expert, but the only cars that look obviously off-pace are the corolla, xA, and xB. My guess is that the Mini and Mazda2 will rise to the top.

Shouldn't the STU mustang and camarobird lines read "over 5.1L", since STX allows up to 5.1L? I realize this is splitting hairs, since I don't think there are any 'stangs or camaros between 5.0 and 5.1L.

Also, how do they decide what constitutes a "sports-car based" platform? Seems like exceptions were made for the RX-8, camarobird, and mustang. Not that I mind - my biggest complaint is that too many sports cars still don't fit into this class. I mean, it is the sports car club of america, not the sedan club of america...


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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #79551 is a reply to message #79547] Sat, 28 May 2011 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i wrote in nay on st new; so much for a reorg. at least in sp there's a reorg proposed, incl new classing for evo/sti

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Re: 2012 ST Re-org is out [message #79553 is a reply to message #79551] Sat, 28 May 2011 09:17 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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everbruin wrote on Sat, 28 May 2011 08:50
i wrote in nay on st new; so much for a reorg. at least in sp there's a reorg proposed, incl new classing for evo/sti


I agree, ST new is not the direction I would choose, also. Is there really interest in dumping ST type money in the Yaris, Maz2, type cars?

All the new class does is cannabalize some HS Minis...just a reshuffle, not a "re org".

I'd like to see an attempt at a faster ST class, not slower.





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