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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115131 is a reply to message #115103] Mon, 20 April 2015 11:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Amazing event, great course! Never seen that smaller runway used, but it made that fast back sweeper so much fun, more than the usual tight 180-deg turns.

Thanks all who work so hard to put it on!


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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115132 is a reply to message #115131] Mon, 20 April 2015 12:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
amrx7   United States
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I liked the back sweeper too -- but I'm not sure the difficulty in safety on the narrow runway outweighs that. Two cars off in the grass was not a big deal, but might have been if they had gone on other side.

Additionally -- we need to work on our event layout. Too much distance between paddock/course/grid. We really should rethink that next year.

-Andy M.
Re: SFR National Tour [message #115133 is a reply to message #115132] Mon, 20 April 2015 12:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
justint5387 is currently offline  justint5387   United States
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amrx7 wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 12:08
I liked the back sweeper too -- but I'm not sure the difficulty in safety on the narrow runway outweighs that. Two cars off in the grass was not a big deal, but might have been if they had gone on other side.

Additionally -- we need to work on our event layout. Too much distance between paddock/course/grid. We really should rethink that next year.

-Andy M.


I agree, I don't think it's worth the risk of damaging cars.


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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115134 is a reply to message #114594] Mon, 20 April 2015 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Impala SS AutocroSSer wrote on Thu, 19 March 2015 10:28
chetly wrote on Thu, 19 March 2015 07:00
Are C5z06 allowed in CAM-S for the tour or am I stuck in ssp-t2? I highly doubt Scott or Bruce care if we run cam but thought I'd ask before registering.


I am not sure...I'd likely just register for CAM-S and dare them to kick you out Very Happy


Well that didn't work out so well...


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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115136 is a reply to message #115132] Mon, 20 April 2015 13:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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amrx7 wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 12:08

Additionally -- we need to work on our event layout. Too much distance between paddock/course/grid. We really should rethink that next year.

-Andy M.


This may shock you (or not), but I put a good bit of thought into it before we ended up with what we had Wink

IF you use the runway and taxiway AND you have to accomodate a National sized grid, what we had is what'll work (i.e. you get it close to start one day and close to finish the next day). Issue is that the National type grid (two of them) is simply too big to fit in that area "between" the runway and taxiway. Need about 500-550 ft of runway length (25 grid spots per row * 15 ft spacing = 400 ft, plus entry/exit and turnaround room), we have just at 400 between the taxiway and runway. Make it 25-30 grid spots in each grid, and it works (i.e. the CAM Invitational).

Paddock : could have been moved closer by a couple hundred feet, true, as long as we keep exit speeds from course down or pinch the finish a bit (like we did).



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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115145 is a reply to message #115136] Mon, 20 April 2015 17:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Only problem I see is if the weeds were dry, hot motors/exhaust pipes on a car could start fire. Otherwise, seems like grass and dirt are preferable to fences, curbs and k-walls present at other sites.

Jeff W.
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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115148 is a reply to message #115134] Mon, 20 April 2015 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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chetly wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 12:19
Impala SS AutocroSSer wrote on Thu, 19 March 2015 10:28
chetly wrote on Thu, 19 March 2015 07:00
Are C5z06 allowed in CAM-S for the tour or am I stuck in ssp-t2? I highly doubt Scott or Bruce care if we run cam but thought I'd ask before registering.


I am not sure...I'd likely just register for CAM-S and dare them to kick you out Very Happy


Well that didn't work out so well...

Get's my vote for understatement of the day and extra points for keeping it civil! Thumb Up I can only imagine how pissed these people were.


Jim
Re: SFR National Tour [message #115151 is a reply to message #115145] Mon, 20 April 2015 18:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The problem was the east side of that narrow strip w/ the slalom had a ditch running the full length about 15 feet off the concrete that wouldn't be pretty if someone went into it.
The course was great, really enjoyed it on sunday.


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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115175 is a reply to message #115151] Tue, 21 April 2015 00:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanks to all volunteers for a great event and fun course! kebab truck was good but less spicy on Sun

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Re: SFR National Tour [message #115177 is a reply to message #115132] Tue, 21 April 2015 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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amrx7 wrote on Mon, 20 April 2015 12:08
I liked the back sweeper too -- but I'm not sure the difficulty in safety on the narrow runway outweighs that. Two cars off in the grass was not a big deal, but might have been if they had gone on other side.

Additionally -- we need to work on our event layout. Too much distance between paddock/course/grid. We really should rethink that next year.

-Andy M.



I was working when both cars went off. The Sat FSP car went straight in nose first. The Sunday STF car did almost a 180 and went in passenger side. That one could have been worse had been on the other side. But lets not kid ourselves. All of this has a risk factor. Last year's final SFR event I was working when an AS convertible went off the runway after the fast right hand sweeper (showcase) on the West side of the South big runway. This year SFR Crows event (2 or 3 I don't remember) I was working the North end turnaround and witnessed another car (can't remember the class) go off after the fast left hand sweeper (showcase). That scattered course workers! I believe another one went off while I was on grid (same place). So, just using the large runway's vs. the taxi way does not eliminate the risk getting in the dirt.
I agree the ditch on the East side of the taxiway is problematic. I was trying to figure out what to do for my exit plan if a car came at me. It didn't offer a good way to move fast. The tall grass side would have been better, but I didn't want the morning Sun in my face.

With all that said. I really LIKED the course! And the event layout was fine with me.


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